Of course, you may have other reasons to test that might help with other
lines. The 23andme test includes mtDNA and medical markers. In respect to
the Cooleys, you're right, at best it would confirm a connection to
Joel--and that might not even show.
-Michael
> Yes thank you. It seems like it would probably be a wasted effort to try
> DNA=
> testing with mom or me, or my uncle, since there would be too many
> generati=
> ons difference. Unless we can find that Albert "Princes" Patrick had a
> son=
> with one of his wives.
>
>
> I would love to sort out his timeline too. I only recently discovered the
> wi=
> fe that came after my Etta Mae and before Nannie B. The only other woman
> by=
> the same name I could find was a married woman in a neighboring state...
> So=
> either there was some scandal or there's another lady I haven't been able
> t=
> o find. I don't know if there were any children.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> wrote=
> :
>
>> There are the autosomal tests done by 23andme.com and ftdna.com (they
>> call=
>
>> it Family Finder). 23andme has lowered the price to $99, which is
>> fantastic.
>>=20
>> These tests look at the autosomal chromosomes which are passed from
>> mother=
>
>> and father in a rather random fashion. You can't describe the lineages
>> in
>> the way you can with the Y chromosome of mtDNA. It makes predictions by
>> how closely two people are related by the length of matching DNA
>> segments.=
>
>> But those segments could have come from either side of the family for
>> each=
>
>> generation. And, my understanding is, that its good to only about five
>> generations or so--the matches become too small and fragmented to make
>> any=
>
>> real prediction.
>>=20
>> Not only do we get half of our DNA from each parent, but half of is is
>> "lost"--and which half we get is random and changes between siblings.
>> So,
>> it's possible that you might have some match segments to me, for
>> example,
>> but none to Jim (through Perrin's son John). That would not mean that
>> you're closer related to me or not related to Jim, just that the
>> segments
>> are lost or preserved randomly.
>>=20
>> I know, it's confusing. It might help to reiterate that the Y chromosome
>> is passed strictly from father to son. (It carries the male gene so
>> women
>> do not inherit it.) The Y doesn't go through the recombination that the
>> autosomal DNA does and is passed down as a virtual clone--and remains
>> that=
>
>> way for generation after generation. (I've recently read, btw, that
>> enough=
>
>> mutations are introduced over 15 generations that it ceases to be an
>> effective indicator.)
>>=20
>> I hope that those many words came close to answering your question. If
>> no,=
>
>> ask away.
>>=20
>> -Michael
>>=20
>>=20
>>> Is there any way DNA testing can be done to track down Perrin C's line?
>>> Eith=3D
>>> er by Joel or my mother?
>>>=20
>>> Since mom and I are female, from Perrin's son's daughter I hadn't
>>> really
>>> giv=3D
>>> en it much thought,but I know there are new tests...
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>> On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:28 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>> wrote=3D
>>> :
>>>=20
>>>> In support of the five son theory, Perrin has four son on the 1810
>>>> census.=3D
>>>=20
>>>> As best as we've been able to tell, Perrin Jr hadn't been born yet.
>>>> But
>>>> I
>>>> can think of nothing that would identify that other son. :(
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Incidentally, for those who may have missed or forgotten, Perrin sold
>>>> his
>>>> Casey Co KY land in 1811. His wife, Sarah, was named. She was likely
>>>> the=
>
>>>> mother of all his children. Of course, they probably married in Stokes
>>>> Co
>>>> NC.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> -Michael
>>>> =3D20
>>>>> BTW, here's how I presently have Perrin's children, largely drawn
>>>>> from
>>>>> James's estate settlement:
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Eleanor Cooley (1796-) m William Green
>>>>> James Cooley (1797-1858) m poss Polly Massey
>>>>> Elizabeth Cooley (c1800-) m Edward Stinson
>>>>> John Cooley (bef 1810-1846) m1 unk m2 Martha Bearden
>>>>> William Cooley (c1804-1850+) m1 ___ m2 Sarah Ann Ballinger
>>>>> Hannah Cooley (1808-1860+) m William Bearden
>>>>> Perrin Cooley Jr (c1813-1880+) m Lucinda Carter
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> We know from the census that Perrin had two sons and two daughters by
>>>>> 1800. The 1840 census suggests that John was born 1800-1810. Was he
>>>>> the=
>
>>>>> second boy on the 1800? But we need to remember that we haven't yet
>>>>> ID'd
>>>>> the father of Perrin C Cooley. He doesn't belong to James, John or
>>>>> Perrin=3D
>>>=20
>>>>> C and William may have been too young to have been Perrin C's father.
>>>>> So,=3D
>>>=20
>>>>> was there a 5th son?
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> I'm still thinking it's Jim's John. His widow (Martha Bearden) and
>>>>>> children are living with James Cooley in TN in 1850. The dates make
>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>> Still, we need more info.
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Who does the John that committed suicide in Fayette in 1846 belong
>>>>>>> to?
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 9:01:18 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: The John Cooleys
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> I had long believed that the John Cooley who shows in Macon County
>>>>>>> MO=
>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> 1850 and 1860 was the son of Perrin, but we now know that the Jim's
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>> the John who married Martha Bearden, was Perrin's son.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> John W Cooley (1790-1857) who married Mahala Hardwick is believed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> been the son of Daniel.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> John Cooley (1793-1844) who married Elizabeth White is believed to
>>>>>>> have=3D
>>>=20
>>>>>>> been the son of Joseph.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> That leaves James as the only possible father of John of Macon.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>> =3D20
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>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> --=3D20
>>>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
>>>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
>>>> Institute (OLLI)
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>>>> informat=3D
>>> ion.
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>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
>> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
>> Institute (OLLI)
>>=20
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>> informat=
> ion.
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> --
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> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
> information.
>
--
Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
Institute (OLLI)
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