Julie,
I've got in my notes that the dates for Joseph C Cooley were 1863-1924. I
take they're wrong, right?
-Michael
> This branch is my closest Unsolved branch. I want to know more about Pat
> Al=
> bert's strange life....why he went as Princes, why he moved so much,
> perhap=
> s due to working the RR? If he had children with his second wife. What
> was=
> the whole family doing in Iowa in 1905 when they were in Montana before
> and=
> after that?
> Why did Perrin marry Margaret twice, where's the first record? I can guess
> a=
> t some of these but would love to know.
>
> It's probAbly not possible to get a birth certificate for Perrin C? Did
> the=
> y have those records then?
>
> I know the Missouri Heritage Database has started posting birth records
> from=
> before 1910 but it looks like they only have a few years in the 80s so
> far.=
>
>
>
> Joel, do you know anything of Margaret Reed's family, did Joseph ever
> mentio=
> n aunts, uncles or grandparents for either side?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:34 AM, Cooleyjoel <cooleyjoel_at_aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The family lore always had Perrin's son as Joseph Custer Cooley but
>> nowher=
> e h=3D
>> ave I been able to find that officially. Most records have J.C. Or
>> Joseph=
> C=3D
>> . 1868-1922. Now his son was Joseph Custer Cooley 1904-1914. We
>> fou=
> nd=3D
>> his gravesite last summer in Idaho with that inscription and the few
>> photo=
> s=3D
>> we have of this Joseph indicate Custer but not papa. Anyway, we have
>> wond=
> e=3D
>> red about the "C" in Joseph too and also if Perrin C gave himself the C
>> to=
> d=3D
>> istinguish himself from the other Missouri Perrin Cooleys.
>>=20
>> Variously Perrin C or someone else has listed his parents both from KY;
>> f=
> at=3D
>> her from KY, mother from NC; father from KY, mother from Missouri. I've
>> b=
> ee=3D
>> n using the latter but methinks I really don't know about Mama.
>>=20
>> Thanks for all your chatter!
>>=20
>> Nancy Cooley, wife of Joel, who is son of John M Cooley 1919-1982;
>> grands=
> on=3D
>> of Joseph C. Cooley 1868-1922; gg grandson of Perrin C. Cooley
>> 1820-1912 a=
> =3D
>> nd Margaret Ann Reed 1846-?
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 4:14 AM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>> wrote=
> :
>>=20
>>> Sometimes people would simply give themselves a middle initial so as to
>>> distinguish themselves from others with the same name. Harry Truman did
>>> that. (The 'S' means nothing at all.) I believe it's probable William
>>> Matthews Cooley gave himself the middle name, especially since there is
>>> n=
> o=3D
>>=20
>>> recorded evidence of any of his brothers--all younger--had a middle
>>> name.=
>
>>> (I believe the T often used for Joseph is due to Hamil and confusion
>>> with=
>
>>> Joseph Tucker Cooley of Wythe County VA.) Perhaps the C simply means
>>> Cooley--something easy to come up with. Otherwise, I think the only "C"
>>> name we have for a wife of that generation is Casey--Joseph's 2nd wife.
>>> And that's possible. They Cooleys had well-known Casey in-laws and, of
>>> course, many of them came from Casey County KY.
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>>> I'm really not sure. I know his son Joseph, Joel's relation, was
>>>> Joseph=
>
>>>> Cus=3D3D
>>>> ter, but I always assumed that had to do with being born so soon after
>>>> t=
> h=3D
>> e
>>>> w=3D3D
>>>> ar. I suppose it's possible it could be a family name, though I sort
>>>> o=
> f=3D
>>=20
>>>> do=3D3D
>>>> ubt it.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> =3D20
>>>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:14 PM, The Cooleys <lvcooley5_at_cox.net> wrote:
>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Do we have any idea what the "C" in Perrin C. Cooley was for? It's a
>>>>> bit c=3D3D
>>>> urious that Milo
>>>>> was once an "M.C." Cooley and Ervin was often E.C. Cooley, though his
>>>>> deat=3D3D
>>>> h record has
>>>>> him as Ervin Wilson? Cooley. Did this generation have a default
>>>>> middle=
>
>>>>> in=3D3D
>>>> itial? C =3D3D3D 3?
>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>> As for Perrin C. being a great nephew of Perrin Sr., why not?. It
>>>>> woul=
> d=3D
>>=20
>>>>> s=3D3D
>>>> eem even more
>>>>> likely if we ever determine that Perrin was a surname that had
>>>>> meaning
>>>>> for=3D3D
>>>> John 1, either
>>>>> from his mother or grandmother, or from his early days in Virginia or
>>>>> Nort=3D3D
>>>> h Carolina.
>>>>> For all we know, it could have been - Perrin's - mother's maiden
>>>>> name.
>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>> On 3/31/2013 1:38 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:
>>>>>> Here's something else to add to the mystery.
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> James Cooley's settlement named all of his siblings plus the
>>>>>> children
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> one dead sibling (John who married Bearden). If PC was the son of
>>>>>> yet
>>>>>> another deceased sibling, why is he not named?
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Might there be an argument that favors an idea that PC was not the
>>>>>> grandson of Perrin Sr but the grandson of one of Perrin's brothers?
>>>>>> If=
>
>>>>>> so=3D3D
>>>> ,
>>>>>> I can't find it. The other families *seem* well established.
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>> Joel Cooley's nephew Jack had his DNA tested which confirmed Perrin
>>>>>>> C=
> .=3D
>>=20
>>>>>>> 1820-=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> 1912 is of the John Cooley line but where, oh where does he
>>>>>>> belong?!
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Nancy Cooley
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Julie <lulerianiel_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Is there any way DNA testing can be done to track down Perrin C's
>>>>>>>> line?=3D3D
>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> Ei=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> th=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> er by Joel or my mother?
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Since mom and I are female, from Perrin's son's daughter I hadn't
>>>>>>>> reall=3D3D
>>>> y
>>>>>>>> g=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> iv=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> en it much thought,but I know there are new tests...
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:28 PM, "Michael Cooley"
>>>>>>>> <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>>>> wro=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> te=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> In support of the five son theory, Perrin has four son on the
>>>>>>>>> 1810
>>>>>>>>> census=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> .=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> As best as we've been able to tell, Perrin Jr hadn't been born
>>>>>>>>> yet.=
>
>>>>>>>>> Bu=3D3D
>>>> t
>>>>>>>>> I=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> can think of nothing that would identify that other son. :(
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Incidentally, for those who may have missed or forgotten, Perrin
>>>>>>>>> sold
>>>>>>>>> his=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> Casey Co KY land in 1811. His wife, Sarah, was named. She was
>>>>>>>>> likel=
> y=3D
>>=20
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> mother of all his children. Of course, they probably married in
>>>>>>>>> Stokes=3D3D
>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Co=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> NC.
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's how I presently have Perrin's children, largely
>>>>>>>>>> drawn
>>>>>>>>>> fro=3D3D
>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>> James's estate settlement:
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Eleanor Cooley (1796-) m William Green
>>>>>>>>>> James Cooley (1797-1858) m poss Polly Massey
>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Cooley (c1800-) m Edward Stinson
>>>>>>>>>> John Cooley (bef 1810-1846) m1 unk m2 Martha Bearden
>>>>>>>>>> William Cooley (c1804-1850+) m1 ___ m2 Sarah Ann Ballinger
>>>>>>>>>> Hannah Cooley (1808-1860+) m William Bearden
>>>>>>>>>> Perrin Cooley Jr (c1813-1880+) m Lucinda Carter
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> We know from the census that Perrin had two sons and two
>>>>>>>>>> daughters=
>
>>>>>>>>>> by=3D3D
>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> 1800. The 1840 census suggests that John was born 1800-1810. Was
>>>>>>>>>> h=
> e=3D
>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> second boy on the 1800? But we need to remember that we haven't
>>>>>>>>>> ye=
> t=3D
>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> ID'd=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> the father of Perrin C Cooley. He doesn't belong to James, John
>>>>>>>>>> or=
>
>>>>>>>>>> Perri=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> n=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> C and William may have been too young to have been Perrin C's
>>>>>>>>>> father.=3D3D
>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> So=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> ,=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> was there a 5th son?
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still thinking it's Jim's John. His widow (Martha Bearden)
>>>>>>>>>>> an=
> d=3D
>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> children are living with James Cooley in TN in 1850. The dates
>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>> Still, we need more info.
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who does the John that committed suicide in Fayette in 1846
>>>>>>>>>>>> belong
>>>>>>>>>>>> to?=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 9:01:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: The John Cooleys
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had long believed that the John Cooley who shows in Macon
>>>>>>>>>>>> County
>>>>>>>>>>>> MO
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1850 and 1860 was the son of Perrin, but we now know that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim's=3D3D
>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the John who married Martha Bearden, was Perrin's son.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> John W Cooley (1790-1857) who married Mahala Hardwick is
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe=
> d=3D
>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> t=3D3D
>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> been the son of Daniel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Cooley (1793-1844) who married Elizabeth White is
>>>>>>>>>>>> believed
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> hav=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> e=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> been the son of Joseph.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> That leaves James as the only possible father of John of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Macon.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
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>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>>>>>>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
>>>>>>>>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
>>>>>>>>> Learning=3D3D
>>>> =3D20
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>>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
>>> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
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Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
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