You may be right but a couple of things give me pause. Although it's
certain that William was born in PA, the 1880s bio for him states that the
family came from NC. Of course, we know that those bios are often
erroneous, but it fits. If there's any truth to it, would it mean that the
family had gone to PA from NC or did the family move to NC sometime after
Wm's birth before going to Ohio? I think only the written record will
settle that.
The 12-13-15-16 are fast mutating. I'm not sure how much we can tell about
those, except that they are consistent for the three PA testers, meaning
that they likely had a common ancestor. But the mutation could have
occurred in the father's generation. I'm no longer holding on to much hope
that John was their mutual ancestor, but I don't think those markers--at
this point--can rule that out.
Finally, most early Cooley lineages have been DNA tested. Although the
size of John's family exploded, it was a small minority and disticlty
different (DNA-wise) to the others, which suggests, I think, that it did
not have a long lineage in America.
There may some DNA surprises to come, but I think we're close to it being
played out. Our best bet for resolving it at this point may not be with
DNA but genealogy.
Nevertheless, I'll see what I can do about finding descendants for some of
these other PA Cooleys. William's and James's father might well have been
listed.
-Michael
> I've been speculating for a long time that all Cooleys who descend from
> the
> John Cooley of Stokes Co., NC, born about 1738 is 12-13-15-16 at Y-DNA
> marker DYS464. (Let's call these the "Southern" Cooleys.) Those who don't
> have those values at that marker descend from an earlier Cooley ancestor
> than John, but not John himself. All the Pennsylvania (or "Northern")
> Cooleys are 12-15-15-16 at that marker. (BTW, the Pennsylvania values are
> the modal R1a values for DYS464.)
>
> I think the difference of the "Northern" and "Southern" Cooley branches at
> this marker is a significant because (if true) I think it throws doubt on
> John Cooley being the kid transported by the British to Virginia in 1753.
> It also (I think) makes it more likely that our first Cooley ancestor to
> set foot in America was not John, but his father or grandfather or even
> further back. I think the Pennsylvania Cooleys makes it more likely that
> the father or grandfather of John Cooley lived north of Virginia & North
> Carolina. Maybe in Pennsylvania - maybe even north of there. I realize
> that
> there are other Cooley lines who lived in those Northern American Colonies
> whose Y-DNA we don't match, but that doesn't mean that our Cooley
> immigrant
> didn't come from there.
>
> I'm actually excited about this because we have a chance now for a
> breakthrough in finding who the immigrant Cooley was. We have a chance to
> find a Cooley ancestor born before John in 1738. In order to do so I think
> our best bet is to try to find the father (or fathers) of the earliest
> known Pennsylvania Cooleys. I'm betting he lived in Pennsylvania or
> Colonies north of it.
>
> -Don
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:03 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com> wrote:
>
>> The rest of the markers for the second Wm H Cooley tester have come in.
>> Kit #305732:
>>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=yresults
>>
>> I've also posted them here, just below Edmond's results, which I think
>> is
>> a little easier to read:
>>
>> http://ancestraldata.com/ftdna/compare.cgi?Cooley/CF01.db+284548
>>
>> As mentioned earlier, the mismatch at DYS439 went away, but the others
>> have held. Before passing judgement on that, we need to remember that
>> the
>> WMC and Perrin Sr descendants match the 12 repeats at DYS442. But we now
>> know that Jim Cooley is not descended from WMC. To a degree, that match
>> was a false lead. But I think the 15 repeats at loci 23 and the 18
>> repeats
>> at loci 32 for the three "PA Cooley" testers are telling.
>>
>> So, were William Henry and James of Jack County TX brothers? I think we
>> have a strong genetic case for it. But the genealogy needs to be done.
>> We
>> know they were both born in PA and both lived in Ohio before moving to
>> Illinois, but that's about it.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
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>
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