I don't have Ancestry.com so, unfortunately, can't view this.
The people who don't "believe" in DNA never respond to me, so our
conversations go nowhere. Of course, DNA is no more a belief system than
is electricity, geometry, or the compositions of air and water. But these
folks aren't even genealogists. The only reason they like the Faux Dutch
Cooleys is because it goes back several more generations. We could make up
a 20-generation genealogy for John and they'd immediately buy it, no
questions asked.
> Here is my entry for John Cooley on Ancestry.com
> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/989585/person/-2020027056 .
>
> At least a few people on Ancestry.com have decided to use this instead of
> the much older and more widely used (but bogus) Dutch version of our John.
>
> And when I said I don't argue with "Dutch Cooley" folks on Ancestry.com -
> I meant I don't argue with people who don't believe in DNA. People who use
> science, logic, data and evidence and are capable of critical thinking and
> reasoning, I'm happy to have a polite discussion with regarding any topic.
> And when such people have contacted me and convinced me I have an error in
> my family tree - I change it and thank them for their help.
>
> -Don
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com> wrote:
>
>> I've uploaded the description of the data here:
>>
>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/familinx_description.txt
>>
>> There appears to be no DNA data. It's just raw linkages of nameless
>> people. The location field might be the most valuable of the data.
>>
>> I shudder to think how much really, really bad data was used. Ten to
>> one,
>> the Faux Dutch Cooleys are included.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> > Gigantic genealogy linking 13 million people sheds light on how genes
>> > influence complex traits. http://tinyurl.com/nfo3r35
>> > <http://t.co/m1ZzTWxKo7>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:57 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Pretty much the focus of my life the last several has been to argue
>> with
>> >> them. :O)
>> >>
>> >> > I agree with my cousin Sandy - those I've emailed on Ancestry.com
>> who
>> >> > claim
>> >> > our John Cooley was Dutch either ignore my email or argue that
>> Y-DNA
>> >> > doesn't refute their claims. What?!!!! In any event, I don't waste
>> >> time
>> >> > arguing with them. -Don
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Sandra Stanton
>> >> > <sandystanton_at_prodigy.net>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> My experience with some of them leads me to believe that nothing
>> will
>> >> >> change their minds.
>> >> >> -sandy
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* "ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com" <
>> >> >> ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
>> >> >> *To:* John Cooley Mailing List
>> >> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 4:22 PM
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: New Y-DNA SNP PF4661 - Is it Cooley?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Event though all evidence refutes the New York Dutch Cooley myth,
>> it
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> never disappear. But once we've found "cousins" in the UK, some of
>> >> its
>> >> >> defenders are sure to wake up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Michael
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > FANTASTIC!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > From: ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com
>> >> >> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:47 PM
>> >> >> > To: John Cooley Mailing List
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: New Y-DNA SNP PF4661 - Is it Cooley?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Incidentally, I've just started a correspondence with a Cooley
>> from
>> >> >> County
>> >> >> > Kent. His Y, which is not at FTDNA, is a match to the Benjamin
>> >> clan.
>> >> >> He's
>> >> >> > interested in helping me (and the CFAA) locate potential UK
>> >> testers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -Michael
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Michael:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This is fascinating! I'll be very interested to see your
>> results.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -Don
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:01 PM,
>> >> <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> One last thing for now...The Y-SNPs I had tested at 23andme
>> and
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> >>> Don
>> >> >> >>> had tested for the Genographic Project did not include Z284,
>> the
>> >> >> >>> "parent"
>> >> >> >>> SNP of L448, the "Young Scandinavian." I haven't checked on it
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> >> >>> sure,
>> >> >> >>> but I think the lack of it may be the reason we're listed at
>> >> ftdna
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> >>> R1a1a1 rather than as R1a1a1b1a3a. It's really rather
>> academic,
>> >> but
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> >>> ordered a Z284 test a couple of weeks, if only to satisfy my
>> >> >> personal
>> >> >> >>> curiosity.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> We're group CF01. Don is kit #N3690 and I'm #57597:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=yresults
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Sorry if this SNP talk is Greek to many of you. As always, I'd
>> be
>> >> >> happy
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> answer any questions.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> (Incidentally, I gave a three hour seminar on genetic
>> genealogy
>> >> last
>> >> >> >>> week.
>> >> >> >>> There were only six people there but it was a *lot* of fun.)
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> -Michael
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> > "Not *much* more than 2000 years old," is what I mean to to
>> >> say.
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > -Michael
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >> PF4661, a second SNP downstream from our L448, has been
>> >> >> discovered.
>> >> >> >>> It's
>> >> >> >>> >> a
>> >> >> >>> >> "sibling" SNP of CTS4179, "The Viking," for which we are
>> >> >> negative.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> You may remember that L448, which both Don and I have, is
>> >> >> nicknamed
>> >> >> >>> >> "Young
>> >> >> >>> >> Scandinavian," and is a not more than 2000 years old.
>> >> Identifying
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >>> >> "child" SNP will take us closer to the "genealogical time
>> >> frame."
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> The PF4661 SNP is not yet available from FTDNA. Once it is
>> >> >> >>> (individual
>> >> >> >>> >> SNP
>> >> >> >>> >> testing is $39) I'm sure one of us will have it tested.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> BTW, one of the Wm Henry Cooley descendants is testing for
>> >> L448.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> -Michael
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> >> >> >>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
>> >> >> Learning
>> >> >> >>> Institute (OLLI)
>> >> >> >>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
>> >> >> >>> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for
>> list
>> >> >> >>> information.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> >> >> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> >> >> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> >> >> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> >> >> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> >> >> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> >> >> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> >> >> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> >> >> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
>> >> Learning
>> >> >> Institute (OLLI)
>> >> >> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
>> >> >> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
>> >> >> information.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> >> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> >> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> >> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> >> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> >> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> >> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> >> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> >> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
>> Learning
>> >> Institute (OLLI)
>> >> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
>> >> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
>> >> information.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
>> Institute (OLLI)
>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>
>> --
>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
>> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
>> information.
>>
>
--
Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
Institute (OLLI)
B.A. Humboldt State University, History
Received on Thu Oct 31 2013 - 16:21:02 MDT