Thanks Michael. Very interesting.
Maybe in a few years the price for the Big Y test will drop to where we
non-wealthy men can take it. Until then I agree that the Y-STR test at
FTDNA is best. I just wish a Cooley living in the British Isles would match
us. Back in 2005 when I took the test I thought in 5 years we have such a
match, but it turned out our Cooley Y-DNA is very rare and/or the Cooleys
in the British Isles aren't taking Y-DNA tests.
-Don
P.S. I found these articles interesting (I love where math and genetic
genealogy come together):
How much of your genome do you inherit from a particular ancestor?
http://wp.me/p1P5We-dU
How many genetic ancestors do I have?
http://wp.me/p1P5We-ef
How many genomic blocks do you share with a cousin?
http://wp.me/p1P5We-eS <
http://t.co/zsOY1Ev7hW>
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com> wrote:
> Don,
>
> As far as I can tell, the Whitfields don't have SNPs at ftdna.
>
> The other R1a1a Cooleys' (CF04) Y-STRs match to several Fergusons. But not
> this one (N115616). His Y-STRs look more like ours than theirs.
>
> I'm pulling the SNPs from here:
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx?section=ysnp
>
> There's an almost identical match (regarding Ferguson) to a descendant of
> Nicholas Byram, whose family went from County Kent to Ireland where
> Nicholas was born in 1610. If the tester tested for CTS7179, it doesn't
> show at ftdna. Neither the Ferguson nor Byram SNPs show tests for L175 and
> L176.
>
> I see only one MacDonald (15983) listed as L175+. You match 338 of 348
> SNPs with him.
>
> The Geno 2.0 SNPs are, of course, designed for deep ancestry. They're not
> going to tell us anything about people we're related to in the last
> 300-400 years, which is what we need. I'm sure you're right that the Big Y
> test will tell us. It's a little too pricey, though. :) In the meantime,
> the Y-STRs are the best indicators.
>
> -Michael
>
> > I noticed the Ferguson surname is mostly found in southern Scotland and
> > northern England. Almost the same as our Cooley surname.
> >
> > Can you check the Whitfields whose Y-DNA matched ours?
> >
> > -Don
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> But Ferguson is CTS4179+. That alone probably accounts for the
> >> differences. I need to find someone CTS4179-.
> >>
> >> -Michael
> >>
> >> > Don, I've just compared your SNPs at FTDNA with a Ferguson's SNPs
> >> > (N115616). They match 333 out of 344. That's encouraging. I'll dig
> >> deeper.
> >> >
> >> > -Michael
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Nice work Michael. Good to know. -Don
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:13 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Don, I've compared the 1744 Y-SNPS that 23andMe tested for the both
> >> of
> >> >>> us.
> >> >>> We match 100%. I suspect they were chosen because they're ancient
> >> SNPs,
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> which case it's not a surprise. I'll look to see if I can find SNP
> >> data
> >> >>> for other R1a-L448 testers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Michael
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Here are some steps 23andMe customers might want to take.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > http://dna-explained.com/2013/11/26/now-what-23andme-and-the-fda/
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > -Don
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
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> >> >>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> >> >>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> >> >>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> >> >>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> >> >>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> >> >>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> >> >>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
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> >> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
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> >> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> >> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
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> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
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