RE: Cooleys on 1840 MO census

From: Brad Gibson <brad.gfm_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:21:36 -0600

>>> And Henry
County figured into the 1838 suit over WMC's property.<<<<?????> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:35:07 -0600
> From: michael_at_newsummer.com
> To: undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net
> Subject: RE: Cooleys on 1840 MO census
>
> The KY deed I mentioned earlier is dated 1844. A J C isn't mentioned as an
> heir, but he could have died right anytime between 1840-44.
>
> We've talked about the Jonathans before but I'm still not straight on
> them. This first listing is from Henry Co TN in 1840, and the widow Amy
> was in MO...
>
> Jonathan Cooley 111101-2110001
> Amy Cooley 001200-1100010
>
> We know from the KY deeds that Amy/Ann's husband was a Jonathan. We know
> that the W G Cooley who shows in Scott Co MO was Joel's son. And Henry
> County figured into the 1838 suit over WMC's property. But how do we know
> that Amy's Jonathan was the WMC's heir but not the Henry County Jonathan?
> Can we be sure which entry above is ours?
>
> -Michael
>
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> > AJC Cooley 1840 Scott County Census....I have AJC (bet you're right on
> > Andr=
> > ew Jackson Cooley) as son of Amy White? Cooley on same page in census and
> > w=
> > idowed. Please note the Melvina Pile adjacent to AJC Cooley (I believe a
> > re=
> > lation from TN?) My relation is AJC's sister Anne Elizabeth Cooley
> > (married=
> > George W=2C White? Faris) Would love to get more clarity on this family
> > as=
> > there were 2 Jonathan Cooleys
> > > Date: Sat=2C 23 Mar 2013 22:49:19 -0600
> >> From: lvcooley5_at_cox.net
> >> To: undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net
> >> Subject: Re: Cooleys on 1840 MO census
> >>=20
> >> This 1840 list is really helping me=2C for the first time=2C to keep
> >> most=
> > of=20
> >> these Missouri Cooleys
> >> straight=2C so THANK YOU for that! So far=2C I can only fill in some
> >> bla=
> > nks=20
> >> on John and Martha:
> >> E.C. and Milo's birth years can fluctuate but I think it's safe to
> >> put=20
> >> them both in the 0-4 males
> >> with Edward in the 5-9. I have Elizabeth's death year at 1884.
> >> Martha's=
> > =20
> >> birth year seems
> >> to hover closer to 1809 and we know she was last seen on the 1880 KY=20
> >> census. Julia Ann
> >> is still a mystery=2C but based of that same census she should have
> >> been=
> > =20
> >> born around 1821=2C
> >> which seems a little creepy for Martha to be her biological mother=2C
> >> but=
> > =20
> >> that's all we have
> >> at this point.
> >>=20
> >> I'd bet $5 that AJC is an "Andrew Jackson"=2C especially being on the
> >> sam=
> > e=20
> >> page as the
> >> Tennessee Cooleys. Is there no chance that he was a son of Jonathan?
> >>=20
> >> Jim
> >>=20
> >> On 3/23/2013 8:10 PM=2C Michael Cooley wrote:
> >> > That whole page is transcriptions from the 1840 census. The head of
> >> > household could either be the male 30-39 or=2C less likely=2C the
> >> femal=
> > e
> >> > 50-59.
> >> >
> >> > -Michael
> >> >
> >> >> What year are you referring to for R. Cooley in Howard County? John
> >> >> Cooley=2C
> >> >> (Joseph=2C John Sr.) had a son Randolph Harrison Cooley=2C born 1838=
> > =2C Howard
> >> >> County. I see his name on the list of children but do not know
> >> anythi=
> > ng
> >> >> about him. My guess is that he is named after Randolph White=2C his
> >> >> maternal
> >> >> grandfather.
> >> >> The Harrison name comes in the White family several times. I think
> >> it=
> > may
> >> >> be connected to the Kirkland family which is his wife's family but
> >> not
> >> >> confirmed. The Kirkland family was also in Mercer Co.=2C Ky.
> >> >> Jane Wisdom
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> >> >> To: "John Cooley Mailing List"
> >> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday=2C March 23=2C 2013 9:17 PM
> >> >> Subject: Cooleys on 1840 MO census
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> I started working on this several months ago. Most of it is now
> >> done.
> >> >>> Knowing what we now know about the Randolph County Cooleys=2C that
> >> se=
> > ction
> >> >>> now makes perfect sense.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have several question marks=2C particularly with the Scott County
> >> >>> descendants of WMC. There are several Cooleys at the end of the page
> >> =
> > who
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> think aren't ours that I haven't worked with yet.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I see only one place where Perrin C Cooley would fit--that's in the
> >> >>> household of Perrin Cooley Jr. Of course=2C we have no idea whether
> >> t=
> > his
> >> >>> second male was even a Cooley. For that matter=2C if PC was living
> >> wi=
> > th
> >> >>> someone other than his parents or a brother=2C it could have been
> >> wit=
> > h a
> >> >>> sister or in-law having a name other than Cooley. He could have been
> >> >>> anywhere--even outside of Missouri=2C which is possible considering
> >> a=
> > ll
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> moves he would come to make. We know=2C however=2C that he was not a
> >> =
> > son of
> >> >>> Jim's John. John's brother William was likely too young to have been
> >> =
> > the
> >> >>> father=2C as is true with Perrin Jr=2C and it seems clear that James
> >> =
> > had no
> >> >>> children. If all of this is correct=2C I see two choices for his
> >> >>> placement:
> >> >>> Perrin Sr had a fifth son of whom we know nothing=2C or Perrin C
> >> belo=
> > ngs
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> one of the other brothers of Perrins--but none seem likely. I
> >> suppose
> >> >>> it's
> >> >>> also possible that Perrin Sr had a illegitimate child whose mother
> >> na=
> > med
> >> >>> Perrin--but that get's into an area we're almost certainly will
> >> never=
> > be
> >> >>> able to prove.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I've also made a guess about the teenager living with Perrin Sr. We
> >> k=
> > now
> >> >>> that the John Cooley who shows up living near William Washington
> >> Cool=
> > ey
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> OH and WV was born in MO c1827. No descendants of his have
> >> DNA-tested=
> > so
> >> >>> we don't know whether he was even one of ours. But as this page
> >> shows=
> > =2C
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> vast majority of Cooleys in MO at this time were descendants of the
> >> >>> Stokes
> >> >>> County NC Cooleys. But=2C again=2C this young male living with Papa
> >> P=
> > errin
> >> >>> may
> >> >>> not have even been a Cooley. It's just more speculation in hopes of
> >> >>> stumbling on a legitimate line of inquiry.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have no idea who "R Cooley" in Howard County is. Daniel's son
> >> Reube=
> > n=2C
> >> >>> apparently=2C died in 1832.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> A J C Cooley of Scott County is also a mystery.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can anyone fill in any of the blanks?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Michael
> >> >>>
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> >> >> information.
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> >> >
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> > <body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>AJC Cooley 1840 Scott County
> > Cen=
> > sus....I have AJC (bet you're right on Andrew Jackson Cooley) as son of
> > Amy=
> > &nbsp=3BWhite? Cooley on same page in census and widowed. Please
> > note&nbsp=
> > =3Bthe Melvina Pile adjacent to AJC Cooley (I believe a relation from TN?)
> > =
> > My relation is AJC's sister Anne Elizabeth Cooley (married George W=2C
> > Whit=
> > e? Faris) Would love to get more clarity on this family as there were 2
> > Jon=
> > athan Cooleys<br>&nbsp=3B<BR><div><div
> > id=3D"SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>&gt=
> > =3B Date: Sat=2C 23 Mar 2013 22:49:19 -0600<br>&gt=3B From:
> > lvcooley5_at_cox.n=
> > et<br>&gt=3B To: undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net<br>&gt=3B Subject:
> > R=
> > e: Cooleys on 1840 MO census<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B This 1840 list is really
> > =
> > helping me=2C for the first time=2C to keep most of <br>&gt=3B these
> > Missou=
> > ri Cooleys<br>&gt=3B straight=2C so THANK YOU for that! So far=2C I can
> > on=
> > ly fill in some blanks <br>&gt=3B on John and Martha:<br>&gt=3B E.C. and
> > Mi=
> > lo's birth years can fluctuate but I think it's safe to put <br>&gt=3B
> > them=
> > both in the 0-4 males<br>&gt=3B with Edward in the 5-9. I have
> > Elizabeth'=
> > s death year at 1884. Martha's <br>&gt=3B birth year seems<br>&gt=3B to
> > hov=
> > er closer to 1809 and we know she was last seen on the 1880 KY <br>&gt=3B
> > c=
> > ensus. Julia Ann<br>&gt=3B is still a mystery=2C but based of that same
> > ce=
> > nsus she should have been <br>&gt=3B born around 1821=2C<br>&gt=3B which
> > se=
> > ems a little creepy for Martha to be her biological mother=2C but <br>&gt=
> > =3B that's all we have<br>&gt=3B at this point.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B I'd
> > be=
> > t $5 that AJC is an "Andrew Jackson"=2C especially being on the same
> > <br>&g=
> > t=3B page as the<br>&gt=3B Tennessee Cooleys. Is there no chance that he
> > w=
> > as a son of Jonathan?<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Jim<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B On
> > 3/23=
> > /2013 8:10 PM=2C Michael Cooley wrote:<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B That whole page is
> > =
> > transcriptions from the 1840 census. The head of<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B
> > household=
> > could either be the male 30-39 or=2C less likely=2C the female<br>&gt=3B
> > &=
> > gt=3B 50-59.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B -Michael<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B<br=
> >>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B What year are you referring to for R. Cooley in
> >> Howard=
> > County? John<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Cooley=2C<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B
> > (Jos=
> > eph=2C John Sr.) had a son Randolph Harrison Cooley=2C born 1838=2C
> > Howard<=
> > br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B County. I see his name on the list of children but
> > =
> > do not know anything<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B about him. My guess is that
> > he=
> > is named after Randolph White=2C his<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B
> > maternal<br>&g=
> > t=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B grandfather.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B The Harrison name
> > com=
> > es in the White family several times. I think it may<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
> > =3B be connected to the Kirkland family which is his wife's family but
> > not<=
> > br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B confirmed. The Kirkland family was also in Mercer
> > Co=
> > .=2C Ky.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Jane Wisdom<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B -----
> > Or=
> > iginal Message -----<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B From: "Michael Cooley"
> > &lt=3Bmi=
> > chael_at_newsummer.com&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B To: "John Cooley Mailing
> > L=
> > ist" &lt=3Bundisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=
> > =3B Sent: Saturday=2C March 23=2C 2013 9:17 PM<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B
> > Subje=
> > ct: Cooleys on 1840 MO census<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B=
> > <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B I started working on this several months
> > ago.=
> > Most of it is now done.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B Knowing what we now
> > k=
> > now about the Randolph County Cooleys=2C that section<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
> > =3B&gt=3B now makes perfect sense.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B
> > &=
> > gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B
> > http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html<br>&=
> > gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B I have several
> > questi=
> > on marks=2C particularly with the Scott County<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B=
> > descendants of WMC. There are several Cooleys at the end of the page
> > who<b=
> > r>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B I<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B think aren't
> > our=
> > s that I haven't worked with yet.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B
> > &g=
> > t=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B I see only one place where Perrin C Cooley would
> > fit--that=
> > 's in the<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B household of Perrin Cooley Jr. Of
> > co=
> > urse=2C we have no idea whether this<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B second
> > ma=
> > le was even a Cooley. For that matter=2C if PC was living with<br>&gt=3B
> > &g=
> > t=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B someone other than his parents or a brother=2C it could
> > ha=
> > ve been with a<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B sister or in-law having a name
> > =
> > other than Cooley. He could have been<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B
> > anywhere=
> > --even outside of Missouri=2C which is possible considering all<br>&gt=3B
> > &=
> > gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B the<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B moves he would come to
> > m=
> > ake. We know=2C however=2C that he was not a son of<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B&=
> > gt=3B Jim's John. John's brother William was likely too young to have been
> > =
> > the<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B father=2C as is true with Perrin Jr=2C
> > and=
> > it seems clear that James had no<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B children.
> > If=
> > all of this is correct=2C I see two choices for his<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B=
> > &gt=3B placement:<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B Perrin Sr had a fifth son
> > of=
> > whom we know nothing=2C or Perrin C belongs<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B
> > t=
> > o<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B one of the other brothers of Perrins--but
> > no=
> > ne seem likely. I suppose<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B it's<br>&gt=3B &gt=
> > =3B&gt=3B&gt=3B also possible that Perrin Sr had a illegitimate child
> > whose=
> > mother named<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B Perrin--but that get's into an
> > a=
> > rea we're almost certainly will never be<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B able
> > =
> > to prove.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B I've
> > al=
> > so made a guess about the teenager living with Perrin Sr. We
> > know<br>&gt=3B=
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B that the John Cooley who shows up living near William
> > W=
> > ashington Cooley<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B in<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=
> > =3B OH and WV was born in MO c1827. No descendants of his have DNA-tested
> > s=
> > o<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B we don't know whether he was even one of
> > our=
> > s. But as this page shows=2C<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B the<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=
> > =3B&gt=3B&gt=3B vast majority of Cooleys in MO at this time were
> > descendant=
> > s of the<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B Stokes<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B
> > C=
> > ounty NC Cooleys. But=2C again=2C this young male living with Papa
> > Perrin<b=
> > r>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B may<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B not have even
> > =
> > been a Cooley. It's just more speculation in hopes of<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
> > =3B&gt=3B stumbling on a legitimate line of inquiry.<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B=
> > &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B I have no idea who "R Cooley" in
> > Howard=
> > County is. Daniel's son Reuben=2C<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B
> > apparently=
> > =2C died in 1832.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B=
> > A J C Cooley of Scott County is also a mystery.<br>&gt=3B
> > &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=
> > =3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B Can anyone fill in any of the
> > blanks?<br>&=
> > gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B -Michael<br>&gt=3B
> > &g=
> > t=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B&gt=3B --<br>&gt=3B
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