Yes thank you. It seems like it would probably be a wasted effort to try DNA testing with mom or me, or my uncle, since there would be too many generations difference. Unless we can find that Albert "Princes" Patrick had a son with one of his wives.
I would love to sort out his timeline too. I only recently discovered the wife that came after my Etta Mae and before Nannie B. The only other woman by the same name I could find was a married woman in a neighboring state... So either there was some scandal or there's another lady I haven't been able to find. I don't know if there were any children.
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On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
> There are the autosomal tests done by 23andme.com and ftdna.com (they call
> it Family Finder). 23andme has lowered the price to $99, which is
> fantastic.
>
> These tests look at the autosomal chromosomes which are passed from mother
> and father in a rather random fashion. You can't describe the lineages in
> the way you can with the Y chromosome of mtDNA. It makes predictions by
> how closely two people are related by the length of matching DNA segments.
> But those segments could have come from either side of the family for each
> generation. And, my understanding is, that its good to only about five
> generations or so--the matches become too small and fragmented to make any
> real prediction.
>
> Not only do we get half of our DNA from each parent, but half of is is
> "lost"--and which half we get is random and changes between siblings. So,
> it's possible that you might have some match segments to me, for example,
> but none to Jim (through Perrin's son John). That would not mean that
> you're closer related to me or not related to Jim, just that the segments
> are lost or preserved randomly.
>
> I know, it's confusing. It might help to reiterate that the Y chromosome
> is passed strictly from father to son. (It carries the male gene so women
> do not inherit it.) The Y doesn't go through the recombination that the
> autosomal DNA does and is passed down as a virtual clone--and remains that
> way for generation after generation. (I've recently read, btw, that enough
> mutations are introduced over 15 generations that it ceases to be an
> effective indicator.)
>
> I hope that those many words came close to answering your question. If no,
> ask away.
>
> -Michael
>
>
>> Is there any way DNA testing can be done to track down Perrin C's line?
>> Eith=
>> er by Joel or my mother?
>>
>> Since mom and I are female, from Perrin's son's daughter I hadn't really
>> giv=
>> en it much thought,but I know there are new tests...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:28 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>> wrote=
>> :
>>
>>> In support of the five son theory, Perrin has four son on the 1810
>>> census.=
>>
>>> As best as we've been able to tell, Perrin Jr hadn't been born yet. But
>>> I
>>> can think of nothing that would identify that other son. :(
>>> =20
>>> Incidentally, for those who may have missed or forgotten, Perrin sold
>>> his
>>> Casey Co KY land in 1811. His wife, Sarah, was named. She was likely the
>>> mother of all his children. Of course, they probably married in Stokes
>>> Co
>>> NC.
>>> =20
>>> -Michael
>>> =20
>>>> BTW, here's how I presently have Perrin's children, largely drawn from
>>>> James's estate settlement:
>>>> =20
>>>> Eleanor Cooley (1796-) m William Green
>>>> James Cooley (1797-1858) m poss Polly Massey
>>>> Elizabeth Cooley (c1800-) m Edward Stinson
>>>> John Cooley (bef 1810-1846) m1 unk m2 Martha Bearden
>>>> William Cooley (c1804-1850+) m1 ___ m2 Sarah Ann Ballinger
>>>> Hannah Cooley (1808-1860+) m William Bearden
>>>> Perrin Cooley Jr (c1813-1880+) m Lucinda Carter
>>>> =20
>>>> We know from the census that Perrin had two sons and two daughters by
>>>> 1800. The 1840 census suggests that John was born 1800-1810. Was he the
>>>> second boy on the 1800? But we need to remember that we haven't yet
>>>> ID'd
>>>> the father of Perrin C Cooley. He doesn't belong to James, John or
>>>> Perrin=
>>
>>>> C and William may have been too young to have been Perrin C's father.
>>>> So,=
>>
>>>> was there a 5th son?
>>>> =20
>>>> -Michael
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>>> I'm still thinking it's Jim's John. His widow (Martha Bearden) and
>>>>> children are living with James Cooley in TN in 1850. The dates make
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Still, we need more info.
>>>>> =20
>>>>>> Who does the John that committed suicide in Fayette in 1846 belong
>>>>>> to?
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 9:01:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: The John Cooleys
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> I had long believed that the John Cooley who shows in Macon County MO
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 1850 and 1860 was the son of Perrin, but we now know that the Jim's
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> the John who married Martha Bearden, was Perrin's son.
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> John W Cooley (1790-1857) who married Mahala Hardwick is believed to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been the son of Daniel.
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> John Cooley (1793-1844) who married Elizabeth White is believed to
>>>>>> have=
>>
>>>>>> been the son of Joseph.
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> That leaves James as the only possible father of John of Macon.
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> -Michael
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>>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
>>> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
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