Yeah I seem to find tidbits every year or two as more documents are posted online. I wish my grandmother had known Patrick Albert... Or that his daughter Patsy were still living. I hope to find her children to see if they know anything but have not had luck there yet ( with Facebook and such)
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On Apr 1, 2013, at 1:04 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
> Birth records were typically not kept that early--although some states or
> counties within some states did. Virginia kept some early records, for
> example. Most states had no requirement until the early 20th century.
> Bible records are really the only likely spot for such records that early.
> Sometimes copies of them were made for military pension record files.
> Church records are also a possibility, but I've had success only once with
> those.
>
> It's surprising that Joseph C Cooley didn't know his grandfather's name
> for his dad's death certificate. Maybe there was some shame associated
> with it. Perhaps PC's dad died so young that he didn't know him at all and
> simply had no reason to talk about him.
>
> As Gloria demonstrated with the 1859 James Cooley clipping, we need to
> keep googling. Eventually, it seems, something will come up. :)
>
> -Michael
>
>> This branch is my closest Unsolved branch. I want to know more about
> Pat
>> Al=
>> bert's strange life....why he went as Princes, why he moved so much,
> perhap=
>> s due to working the RR? If he had children with his second wife. What
> was=
>> the whole family doing in Iowa in 1905 when they were in Montana before
>> and=
>> after that?
>> Why did Perrin marry Margaret twice, where's the first record? I can
> guess
>> a=
>> t some of these but would love to know.
>> It's probAbly not possible to get a birth certificate for Perrin C? Did
> the=
>> y have those records then?
>> I know the Missouri Heritage Database has started posting birth records
> from=
>> before 1910 but it looks like they only have a few years in the 80s so
>> far.=
>> Joel, do you know anything of Margaret Reed's family, did Joseph ever
> mentio=
>> n aunts, uncles or grandparents for either side?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:34 AM, Cooleyjoel <cooleyjoel_at_aol.com> wrote:
>>> The family lore always had Perrin's son as Joseph Custer Cooley but
> nowher=
>> e h=3D
>>> ave I been able to find that officially. Most records have J.C. Or
> Joseph=
>> C=3D
>>> . 1868-1922. Now his son was Joseph Custer Cooley 1904-1914. We
> fou=
>> nd=3D
>>> his gravesite last summer in Idaho with that inscription and the few
> photo=
>> s=3D
>>> we have of this Joseph indicate Custer but not papa. Anyway, we have
> wond=
>> e=3D
>>> red about the "C" in Joseph too and also if Perrin C gave himself the C
> to=
>> d=3D
>>> istinguish himself from the other Missouri Perrin Cooleys.
>>> =20
>>> Variously Perrin C or someone else has listed his parents both from KY;
>
>>> f=
>> at=3D
>>> her from KY, mother from NC; father from KY, mother from Missouri.
> I've
>>> b=
>> ee=3D
>>> n using the latter but methinks I really don't know about Mama.
>>> =20
>>> Thanks for all your chatter!
>>> =20
>>> Nancy Cooley, wife of Joel, who is son of John M Cooley 1919-1982;
> grands=
>> on=3D
>>> of Joseph C. Cooley 1868-1922; gg grandson of Perrin C. Cooley
> 1820-1912 a=
>> =3D
>>> nd Margaret Ann Reed 1846-?
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> =20
>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 4:14 AM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> wrote=
>> :
>>> =20
>>>> Sometimes people would simply give themselves a middle initial so as
> to
>>>> distinguish themselves from others with the same name. Harry Truman
> did
>>>> that. (The 'S' means nothing at all.) I believe it's probable William
> Matthews Cooley gave himself the middle name, especially since there
> is
>>>> n=
>> o=3D
>>> =20
>>>> recorded evidence of any of his brothers--all younger--had a middle
> name.=
>>>> (I believe the T often used for Joseph is due to Hamil and confusion
> with=
>>>> Joseph Tucker Cooley of Wythe County VA.) Perhaps the C simply means
> Cooley--something easy to come up with. Otherwise, I think the only
> "C"
>>>> name we have for a wife of that generation is Casey--Joseph's 2nd
> wife.
>>>> And that's possible. They Cooleys had well-known Casey in-laws and, of
> course, many of them came from Casey County KY.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>>> I'm really not sure. I know his son Joseph, Joel's relation, was
> Joseph=
>>>>> Cus=3D3D
>>>>> ter, but I always assumed that had to do with being born so soon
> after
>>>>> t=
>> h=3D
>>> e
>>>>> w=3D3D
>>>>> ar. I suppose it's possible it could be a family name, though I
> sort
>>>>> o=
>> f=3D
>>> =20
>>>>> do=3D3D
>>>>> ubt it.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:14 PM, The Cooleys <lvcooley5_at_cox.net> wrote:
> =3D20
>>>>>> Do we have any idea what the "C" in Perrin C. Cooley was for? It's
> a
>>>>>> bit c=3D3D
>>>>> urious that Milo
>>>>>> was once an "M.C." Cooley and Ervin was often E.C. Cooley, though
> his
>>>>>> deat=3D3D
>>>>> h record has
>>>>>> him as Ervin Wilson? Cooley. Did this generation have a default
> middle=
>>>>>> in=3D3D
>>>>> itial? C =3D3D3D 3?
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> As for Perrin C. being a great nephew of Perrin Sr., why not?. It
> woul=
>> d=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>> s=3D3D
>>>>> eem even more
>>>>>> likely if we ever determine that Perrin was a surname that had meaning
>>>>>> for=3D3D
>>>>> John 1, either
>>>>>> from his mother or grandmother, or from his early days in Virginia
> or
>>>>>> Nort=3D3D
>>>>> h Carolina.
>>>>>> For all we know, it could have been - Perrin's - mother's maiden name.
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> On 3/31/2013 1:38 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's something else to add to the mystery.
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> James Cooley's settlement named all of his siblings plus the children
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> one dead sibling (John who married Bearden). If PC was the son of yet
>>>>>>> another deceased sibling, why is he not named?
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Might there be an argument that favors an idea that PC was not the
> grandson of Perrin Sr but the grandson of one of Perrin's brothers?
> If=
>>>>>>> so=3D3D
>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> I can't find it. The other families *seem* well established. =3D3D20
>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>> Joel Cooley's nephew Jack had his DNA tested which confirmed
> Perrin
>>>>>>>> C=
>> .=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>>>> 1820-=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> 1912 is of the John Cooley line but where, oh where does he belong?!
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Nancy Cooley
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Julie <lulerianiel_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Is there any way DNA testing can be done to track down Perrin C's
> line?=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Ei=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> th=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> er by Joel or my mother?
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Since mom and I are female, from Perrin's son's daughter I hadn't
> reall=3D3D
>>>>> y
>>>>>>>>> g=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> iv=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> en it much thought,but I know there are new tests...
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:28 PM, "Michael Cooley"
>>>>>>>>> <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>>>>> wro=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> te=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> In support of the five son theory, Perrin has four son on the 1810
>>>>>>>>>> census=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> .=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> As best as we've been able to tell, Perrin Jr hadn't been born
> yet.=
>>>>>>>>>> Bu=3D3D
>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>> I=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> can think of nothing that would identify that other son. :(
> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Incidentally, for those who may have missed or forgotten, Perrin
> sold
>>>>>>>>>> his=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> Casey Co KY land in 1811. His wife, Sarah, was named. She was
> likel=
>> y=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> mother of all his children. Of course, they probably married in
> Stokes=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Co=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> NC.
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's how I presently have Perrin's children, largely drawn
>>>>>>>>>>> fro=3D3D
>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>>> James's estate settlement:
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> Eleanor Cooley (1796-) m William Green
>>>>>>>>>>> James Cooley (1797-1858) m poss Polly Massey
>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Cooley (c1800-) m Edward Stinson
>>>>>>>>>>> John Cooley (bef 1810-1846) m1 unk m2 Martha Bearden
>>>>>>>>>>> William Cooley (c1804-1850+) m1 ___ m2 Sarah Ann Ballinger
> Hannah Cooley (1808-1860+) m William Bearden
>>>>>>>>>>> Perrin Cooley Jr (c1813-1880+) m Lucinda Carter
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> We know from the census that Perrin had two sons and two
> daughters=
>>>>>>>>>>> by=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> 1800. The 1840 census suggests that John was born 1800-1810.
> Was
>>>>>>>>>>> h=
>> e=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> second boy on the 1800? But we need to remember that we haven't
> ye=
>> t=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>> ID'd=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>> the father of Perrin C Cooley. He doesn't belong to James, John
> or=
>>>>>>>>>>> Perri=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> n=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> C and William may have been too young to have been Perrin C's
> father.=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> So=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> ,=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> was there a 5th son?
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still thinking it's Jim's John. His widow (Martha Bearden)
> an=
>> d=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>>> children are living with James Cooley in TN in 1850. The dates
> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, we need more info.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who does the John that committed suicide in Fayette in 1846
> belong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to?=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 9:01:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: The John Cooleys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had long believed that the John Cooley who shows in Macon
> County
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1850 and 1860 was the son of Perrin, but we now know that the
> Jim's=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the John who married Martha Bearden, was Perrin's son.
> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John W Cooley (1790-1857) who married Mahala Hardwick is
> believe=
>> d=3D
>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> t=3D3D
>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been the son of Daniel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Cooley (1793-1844) who married Elizabeth White is believed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hav=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> e=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been the son of Joseph.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That leaves James as the only possible father of John of Macon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
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>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>>>>>>>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
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>>>> President, the Genealogy Club of Humboldt State University
>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge Family DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst Family DNA Project (in the works)
> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley Family DNA Project
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