I have borrowed information from you at various times. Thank you!
I haven’t done any research since I got my computer back after having my laptop screen replaced (I broke it). Between yoga and working in my yard I haven’t had too much time indoors.
Best wishes!
Mary C.
From: Cooley
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:37 PM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: More DNA results
Hi Mary!
Thanks for the welcome. I hope you are doing well. Yes, I have a "Cooley-Bowers Family Tree" on Ancestry.com . It's at
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/989585/family?cfpid=-2020027102
Best Wishes,
Don
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Mary Lou Cooley <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
Welcome, Don! I have seen your family tree on Ancestry.
Mary Cooley (wife of Michael Frank Cooley)
From: Cooley
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:29 PM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: More DNA results
First of all, hello to all my Cooley family! And thanks to Michael for
adding me to the list and for his excellent work making the latest and
Cooley genealogy info and Y-DNA data available to the public.
As Michael told you in the intro, I descend from John Cooley's son James.
From James my Cooley line is: Timothy Goode "Tink" Cooley > John Iven Cooley
> Daniel Iven Cooley > Elmo Franklin Cooley (my father). My full name is
Donald Wayne Cooley, but call me Don. I was born in Kirksville, Missouri in
1952, but my parent's actual home at the time was in Los Angeles, CA. (My
Mom went to be with her parents a few weeks before I was born because my Dad
was working two jobs.) I went to the University of Colorado in Boulder,
Colorado and grad school at Stanford University in Palo Alto, CA. I've been
working as a Senior Research Physicist at SRI International two miles north
of Stanford the past 32 years. I live in Fremont, CA with my wife Yolanda
and son Patrick.
The Geno 2.0 test looked at Y-DNA 6153 SNPs, see
http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/07/national-geographic-and-family-tree-dna.html
. I received an Excel spreadsheet showing 6129 of my Y-DNA SNPs. (Anyone
want a copy? In making sense of those results, this link comes in handy
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html ) Anyway, this is far to
many to show on the FTDNA table Michael sent a link to, so they only report
a few of them there. Because it was discussed, note that CTS4179 was indeed
tested for in my Geno 2.0 test, I do NOT have the mutation there. So I'm
CTS4179-.
I'm also L176.1-. But, like Michael, I'm L448+. So that means we Cooleys are
R1a1a1b1a3. See the nice chart at
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml and maps see
http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/map-snp/35/ and
http://www.geni.com/projects/R1a-L448-Y-DNA/3941 . Regarding the difference
in nomenclature used at different DNA testing sites, I assume that's because
the Y-DNA tree is in a state of flux and not everyone has caught up. Hence,
I might me listed R-M17 one place, R-L448 another. And R1a1a1 one place and
R1a1a1b1a3 another. I personally like the designation R-L448.
Best wishes,
Don
P.S. According to my new Geno 2.0 DNA test results, I'm only 94.8%
Cro-Magnon. I'm 3.0% Neanderthal and 2.2% Denisovan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovan
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:57 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com> wrote:
You're right, Jim. L176- doesn't mean there wasn't a close association.
I'm perplexed by the CTS4179- that the R1a group shows for him because
it's not listed in Don's results. I have an email off to the admins and
have posted on the R1a1 facebook page for an explanation.
Here's a couple of things apart from specific markers to chew on...
We show only about a half dozen non-Cooley 12/12 matches. There are none
at 25 and above. The other R1a1a Cooleys (CF04) show 160 non-Cooley 12/12
matches and 55 matches to about 23/25. (I think they *might* be of the
Ferguson clan.) Not only are we rare among Cooleys, we're rare among R1a1a
Cooleys. I think that means that John came from a small population pool.
Could that mean that despite the large size of his family that he came
from a long line of few siblings? Could it mean that he came from a
region, say somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, that was particularly
isolated? Or perhaps he was of a more recent migration from Scotland,
perhaos even post Viking? That we have so many matching Cooleys only
proves that we've worked hard to get those. But the size of the ftdna
database is considerable. That we remain rare and *very* Cooley-centric (I
think I coined a new word!) might be significant.
-Michael
> Thanks, Michael, for all the links and for taking the time to help
> explain what it all means.
> I'm intrigued by the 15 generations of descent. It's possible that one
> day we may match
> up with a Cooley that can reliably trace his line back to the 1500s or
> beyond. And even
> though Don didn't test positive for L176, that's not to say that our
> Cooleys didn't pass
> through or spend centuries in Scotland before John got on that ship.
>
> Thanks, Don, for upgrading to the SNP test. I noticed that your
> haplogroup is listed as R1a1a1.
> Is that just an abbreviation for the unwieldy R1a1a1b1a3a?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On 6/25/2013 3:09 PM, ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com wrote:
>> Donald Wayne Cooley (a descendant of James) has just gotten back his
>> Geno
>> 2.0 Y chromosome SNP results. They're posted here under kit #N3690.
>> (Remember, the Y chromosome passes from father to son only and is
>> essentially a clone; it changes very little from one generation to the
>> next.)
>>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=ysnp
>>
>> Those of you who have looked at the Cooley Project's DNA page will be
>> somewhat familiar with the STR results:
>>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=yresults
>>
>> Each number represents the number of times a specified series of
>> chemicals
>> repeat. It's generally considered that after about 15 generations of
>> descent too many mutations are introduced to make comparisons reliable.
>> It's no surprise, then, that all the testers in CF01 match so closely,
>> as
>> most of us are known to be about 7 to 9 generations from John.
>>
>> SNPs are entirely different. They represent specific, single mutations
>> of
>> specifically located chemicals, for example, a change from A to G. The
>> date at which the mutation occurred can be estimated, in part, by
>> determining its frequency in respect to the size of a population. For
>> example, the mutation known as M207 encompasses such a huge portion of
>> the
>> Eurasian population that it is estimated to have occurred between 19,900
>> and 34,300 years ago. For all those generations, that mutation has
>> passed
>> from Don's ancient *patrilineal* ancestor to the present day. It's the
>> mutation that is used to define the mega haplogroup R.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R-M207
>>
>> Don and I have both tested positive for the mutation known as L-448.
>> This
>> is considered to have occurred between 1900 and 2300 years ago in Norway
>> and has been dubbed "Young Scandinavian." Don tested negative for the
>> presence of L-176.1, which is the Scottish subset of L-448. This is in
>> line with earlier interpretations of our STR markers: we are likely
>> distantly related to, not descended from, the 12th century Scottish
>> chieftain, Somerled.
>>
>> Lying downstream from L448 and upstream from L176.1 is CTS4179. The R1a
>> Project reports that Don is negative for that marker but I don't see
>> that
>> it was even tested. I have an email into a project admin about that.
>>
>> Many of the younger markers have been recently discovered, and the
>> interpretations are in a state of flux. Some markers once considered to
>> be
>> defining markers are now found to be specific to certain families and
>> have
>> been removed from the Y tree. At present, there are very few markers
>> that
>> have been verified as being "downstream" from L448. But it is my hope
>> that
>> one day we can lay claim to one of these "private" markers as being
>> specific to our clan of Cooleys.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
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