Here is my entry for John Cooley on Ancestry.com
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/989585/person/-2020027056 .
At least a few people on Ancestry.com have decided to use this instead of
the much older and more widely used (but bogus) Dutch version of our John.
And when I said I don't argue with "Dutch Cooley" folks on Ancestry.com -
I meant I don't argue with people who don't believe in DNA. People who use
science, logic, data and evidence and are capable of critical thinking and
reasoning, I'm happy to have a polite discussion with regarding any topic.
And when such people have contacted me and convinced me I have an error in
my family tree - I change it and thank them for their help.
-Don
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com> wrote:
> I've uploaded the description of the data here:
>
> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/familinx_description.txt
>
> There appears to be no DNA data. It's just raw linkages of nameless
> people. The location field might be the most valuable of the data.
>
> I shudder to think how much really, really bad data was used. Ten to one,
> the Faux Dutch Cooleys are included.
>
> -Michael
>
> > Gigantic genealogy linking 13 million people sheds light on how genes
> > influence complex traits. http://tinyurl.com/nfo3r35
> > <http://t.co/m1ZzTWxKo7>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:57 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Pretty much the focus of my life the last several has been to argue with
> >> them. :O)
> >>
> >> > I agree with my cousin Sandy - those I've emailed on Ancestry.com who
> >> > claim
> >> > our John Cooley was Dutch either ignore my email or argue that Y-DNA
> >> > doesn't refute their claims. What?!!!! In any event, I don't waste
> >> time
> >> > arguing with them. -Don
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Sandra Stanton
> >> > <sandystanton_at_prodigy.net>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My experience with some of them leads me to believe that nothing will
> >> >> change their minds.
> >> >> -sandy
> >> >>
> >> >> *From:* "ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com" <
> >> >> ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> >> >> *To:* John Cooley Mailing List
> >> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 4:22 PM
> >> >>
> >> >> *Subject:* Re: New Y-DNA SNP PF4661 - Is it Cooley?
> >> >>
> >> >> Event though all evidence refutes the New York Dutch Cooley myth, it
> >> >> will
> >> >> never disappear. But once we've found "cousins" in the UK, some of
> >> its
> >> >> defenders are sure to wake up.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Michael
> >> >>
> >> >> > FANTASTIC!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com
> >> >> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:47 PM
> >> >> > To: John Cooley Mailing List
> >> >> > Subject: Re: New Y-DNA SNP PF4661 - Is it Cooley?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Incidentally, I've just started a correspondence with a Cooley from
> >> >> County
> >> >> > Kent. His Y, which is not at FTDNA, is a match to the Benjamin
> >> clan.
> >> >> He's
> >> >> > interested in helping me (and the CFAA) locate potential UK
> >> testers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Michael
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Michael:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This is fascinating! I'll be very interested to see your results.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Don
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:01 PM,
> >> <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> One last thing for now...The Y-SNPs I had tested at 23andme and
> >> >> those
> >> >> >>> Don
> >> >> >>> had tested for the Genographic Project did not include Z284, the
> >> >> >>> "parent"
> >> >> >>> SNP of L448, the "Young Scandinavian." I haven't checked on it to
> >> be
> >> >> >>> sure,
> >> >> >>> but I think the lack of it may be the reason we're listed at
> >> ftdna
> >> >> as
> >> >> >>> R1a1a1 rather than as R1a1a1b1a3a. It's really rather academic,
> >> but
> >> >> I
> >> >> >>> ordered a Z284 test a couple of weeks, if only to satisfy my
> >> >> personal
> >> >> >>> curiosity.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> We're group CF01. Don is kit #N3690 and I'm #57597:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=yresults
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Sorry if this SNP talk is Greek to many of you. As always, I'd be
> >> >> happy
> >> >> >>> to
> >> >> >>> answer any questions.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> (Incidentally, I gave a three hour seminar on genetic genealogy
> >> last
> >> >> >>> week.
> >> >> >>> There were only six people there but it was a *lot* of fun.)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> -Michael
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > "Not *much* more than 2000 years old," is what I mean to to
> >> say.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > -Michael
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >> PF4661, a second SNP downstream from our L448, has been
> >> >> discovered.
> >> >> >>> It's
> >> >> >>> >> a
> >> >> >>> >> "sibling" SNP of CTS4179, "The Viking," for which we are
> >> >> negative.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> You may remember that L448, which both Don and I have, is
> >> >> nicknamed
> >> >> >>> >> "Young
> >> >> >>> >> Scandinavian," and is a not more than 2000 years old.
> >> Identifying
> >> >> a
> >> >> >>> >> "child" SNP will take us closer to the "genealogical time
> >> frame."
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> The PF4661 SNP is not yet available from FTDNA. Once it is
> >> >> >>> (individual
> >> >> >>> >> SNP
> >> >> >>> >> testing is $39) I'm sure one of us will have it tested.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> BTW, one of the Wm Henry Cooley descendants is testing for
> >> L448.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> -Michael
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
> >> >> >>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
> >> >> Learning
> >> >> >>> Institute (OLLI)
> >> >> >>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
> >> >> >>> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for
> list
> >> >> >>> information.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
> >> >> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> >> >> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> >> >> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> >> >> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> >> >> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> >> >> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> >> >> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
> >> >> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
> >> Learning
> >> >> Institute (OLLI)
> >> >> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
> >> >> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
> >> >> information.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
> >> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> >> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> >> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
> >> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
> >> Institute (OLLI)
> >> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
> >>
> >> --
> >> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
> >> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
> >> information.
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
> Institute (OLLI)
> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>
> --
> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
> information.
>
Received on Thu Oct 31 2013 - 15:52:47 MDT