Pretty much the focus of my life the last several has been to argue with
them. :O)
> I agree with my cousin Sandy - those I've emailed on Ancestry.com who
> claim
> our John Cooley was Dutch either ignore my email or argue that Y-DNA
> doesn't refute their claims. What?!!!! In any event, I don't waste time
> arguing with them. -Don
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Sandra Stanton
> <sandystanton_at_prodigy.net>wrote:
>
>> My experience with some of them leads me to believe that nothing will
>> change their minds.
>> -sandy
>>
>> *From:* "ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com" <
>> ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
>> *To:* John Cooley Mailing List <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 4:22 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: New Y-DNA SNP PF4661 - Is it Cooley?
>>
>> Event though all evidence refutes the New York Dutch Cooley myth, it
>> will
>> never disappear. But once we've found "cousins" in the UK, some of its
>> defenders are sure to wake up.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> > FANTASTIC!!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com
>> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:47 PM
>> > To: John Cooley Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: New Y-DNA SNP PF4661 - Is it Cooley?
>> >
>> > Incidentally, I've just started a correspondence with a Cooley from
>> County
>> > Kent. His Y, which is not at FTDNA, is a match to the Benjamin clan.
>> He's
>> > interested in helping me (and the CFAA) locate potential UK testers.
>> >
>> > -Michael
>> >
>> >> Michael:
>> >>
>> >> This is fascinating! I'll be very interested to see your results.
>> >>
>> >> -Don
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:01 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> One last thing for now...The Y-SNPs I had tested at 23andme and
>> those
>> >>> Don
>> >>> had tested for the Genographic Project did not include Z284, the
>> >>> "parent"
>> >>> SNP of L448, the "Young Scandinavian." I haven't checked on it to be
>> >>> sure,
>> >>> but I think the lack of it may be the reason we're listed at ftdna
>> as
>> >>> R1a1a1 rather than as R1a1a1b1a3a. It's really rather academic, but
>> I
>> >>> ordered a Z284 test a couple of weeks, if only to satisfy my
>> personal
>> >>> curiosity.
>> >>>
>> >>> We're group CF01. Don is kit #N3690 and I'm #57597:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=yresults
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry if this SNP talk is Greek to many of you. As always, I'd be
>> happy
>> >>> to
>> >>> answer any questions.
>> >>>
>> >>> (Incidentally, I gave a three hour seminar on genetic genealogy last
>> >>> week.
>> >>> There were only six people there but it was a *lot* of fun.)
>> >>>
>> >>> -Michael
>> >>>
>> >>> > "Not *much* more than 2000 years old," is what I mean to to say.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -Michael
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> PF4661, a second SNP downstream from our L448, has been
>> discovered.
>> >>> It's
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> "sibling" SNP of CTS4179, "The Viking," for which we are
>> negative.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> You may remember that L448, which both Don and I have, is
>> nicknamed
>> >>> >> "Young
>> >>> >> Scandinavian," and is a not more than 2000 years old. Identifying
>> a
>> >>> >> "child" SNP will take us closer to the "genealogical time frame."
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The PF4661 SNP is not yet available from FTDNA. Once it is
>> >>> (individual
>> >>> >> SNP
>> >>> >> testing is $39) I'm sure one of us will have it tested.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> BTW, one of the Wm Henry Cooley descendants is testing for L448.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -Michael
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> >>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> >>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> >>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> >>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> >>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> >>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> >>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> >>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong
>> Learning
>> >>> Institute (OLLI)
>> >>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
>> >>> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
>> >>> information.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
>> Institute (OLLI)
>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>
>> --
>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9</a>
>> See http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/ for list
>> information.
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
Institute (OLLI)
B.A. Humboldt State University, History
Received on Mon Oct 28 2013 - 19:57:21 MDT